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welcome back to calling all things man

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i'll tell you what it was not the same

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it was not the same without these

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brothers i'm your host dj uh man i'm so

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excited to be back because the homies is

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back at least a portion thereof

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i want to say that

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i came back with some magic

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oh

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deb came back from harry potterville

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with some magic but first let me

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introduce the co-conspirator of this

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joint my brother who was over there in

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england taking care of business and

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spreading cab love spreading the word

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doing he was like the uh an apostle over

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there so what's up get put your hands

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together for money nathan what's going

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on everybody yeah had an awesome time i

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feel like we haven't done a show in five

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years

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uh you know we've been doing shows so

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consistently for like a week every you

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know once every week we've been doing

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shows for almost a year now which is

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crazy

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and to not do them for a couple weeks

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it's just uh it was weird i missed you

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guys missed you guys we missed you

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you know i i did feel the i i filled the

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chasm that you left with uh

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the good friends that we have from the

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uk i got a chance to see those guys at

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the awakening ufo expo in blackpool so i

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got to catch up with our friend dan

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zetterstrom mr benny adams and graeme

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rendell had a great time meeting those

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guys in person and uh and also our good

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friend max mccabe who's just yeah

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as awesome as you would expect him to be

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in the flesh so very cool

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ain't no doubt another sister i missed a

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woman who really sacrificed a woman who

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said can i go 24 hours without talking

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ufos can this happen

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but she did it back from orlando from

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disney universal studios is our

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researcher and mental health

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deb at

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study of uaps what's up hi everybody i'm

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i am going to kind of just say i did

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read about ufos a little bit while i was

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going oh you broke the covenant

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i couldn't help it you couldn't help it

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at least you got to see harry potter god

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bless you well it's good to have you

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back debs uh we missed you i'm glad i

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got to talk to you at least once while

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you're gone that was pretty cool

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uh now we gonna introduce

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an original gangster

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of ufology

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so let me tell you what i want you to

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get all that flour

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off your hands from bread and that

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chicken and put your hands together for

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what is good man i don't step to this

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woman she know what's he talking about

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what's up chase

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chase are you there chase is here for

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those of you who can't see chase is here

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i see her oh geez stood for old girl

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no are you you're a gangster of ufology

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people don't even want to step to it man

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you know what i'm saying you're like

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with jack filet and grant cameron and

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all these brothers man you know what i'm

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saying what's up

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um

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it's it's an honor to have you chase

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i work with um kind of grew up with

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those are the homies that's what i'm

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saying man you guys are standing around

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that 50 gallon drum you guys got a

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bottle of wine you know it's a little

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[\h__\h] yo pass that over here man let me

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have some jacques give me a nip on that

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business right there

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anyway it's enough

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he prefers bourbon

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i'm a bourbon guy too so that's good to

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hear no i like it you guys got way too

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much class for me and deb man that's all

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i got no nathan drank beer though in the

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confirmed yep

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all right well um it's awesome to have

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you i'm gonna let uh the co-conspirator

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of the joint you know who that is

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that is my man who we call him money

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money nathan

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thank you dj so yes chase great to have

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you with us and uh i just wanted to say

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how much i was i'm grateful for what

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you've done on the feet in the field you

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know we're really new to the scene and i

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know you've you know seen a little bit

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of our show and we enjoy you know

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everything about this community we try

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our best to be positive and and to

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really kind of build up the voices that

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are in this community

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you've been around this topic a very

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long time you know you've seen it uh the

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the good and the bad right and i'm just

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kind of curious from your perspective

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right now absolutely the good the bad

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easy there but you know with that

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vantage point like how would you rate

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the current time in the ufo community

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you know do you think that this is a

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healthy time for this conversation um

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where have we been and where are we

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that is one of the best questions i've

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love that

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all of these new young people are

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getting involved i mean you know when i

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started out you know

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going to started with mufon it was it

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was like bingo night at the old folks

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home so i love all the new blood that's

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coming in however

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linda molten howe and i don't agree on

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everything

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but i never disrespect her i give her

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her props and we treat each other with

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respect richard dolan and i you know

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grant cameron uh like it

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go on and on and on but my point is

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today

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um people like to like really throw

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shade and actually get kind of mean and

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we've just never done that before so

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that's my only complaint of today

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you know and i don't agree on everything

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we don't so i mean that it's it's okay

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you don't have to agree on everything

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you just have to be able to have

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conversations well and i think i'm so

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glad that you brought that chase because

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you know i think it's incredibly

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important that we try to model

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civil behavior

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in our communities right because

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we we live in a time we all know it's

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there's a lot of kind of

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vitriol that is everyone's at the

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keyboard ready to fire away with their

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keys and their their you know their

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missiles there but i think if we model a

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respectful conversation we actually get

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further than if than if we just decide

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to throw jabs at each other and it's so

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great to hear that that with you and

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your colleagues these huge names in the

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field that that's what you guys have

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always tried to do i mean that's just

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i know of no big risks um

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like uh can you imagine stanton freeman

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talking to richard dolan like some of

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these people do today it just didn't

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and i'm not sure if it wasn't because we

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didn't have all this social media i mean

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we we called each other we wrote snail

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mail and and thankful for email but we

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didn't have all this so i you know i'm

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grateful for it because i love ufo

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twitter i believe ufo twitter is a force

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multiplier um there's a lot of stuff

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that's getting done through ufo twitter

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hashtag ufo twitter and um i i just love

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it that's where i kind of hang out most

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my time so um i'm just really grateful

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for the socials on that end but for the

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hey chase d do you think like if for

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example uh you know uh joe mergia knew

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that stan friedman ate pineapple on his

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pizza do you think that something at

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that level could have caused a rift

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between those two because joe murga gets

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oh i don't think she heard me or that's

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okay okay you guys know i love joe and

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there's a little bit of a delay so

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between when we speak and when uh chase

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hears us it's almost like she's up in

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that tower in kuala lumpur right now i'm

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not sure

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but uh anyway

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we'll get on with the serious questions

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uh nathan do you want me to start off or

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do you want to uh do you want to

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continue oh i think she wants to jump in

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oh please yes ma'am

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yeah excellent well i also live in the

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mountains i'm a mountain guy so i really

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appreciate it

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guys

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okay excellent all right let's get going

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then so uh so chase i wanted to

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i wanted to ask you you did you just

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mentioned that you spend a lot of time

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on ufo twitter thinking about the topic

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and really kind of getting into it all

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of us i think do the same we think about

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this day and night you know for someone

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who's been doing that for so long

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do you ever find yourself in times where

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you kind of like feel fatigue like ufo

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fatigue and how do you kind of break

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sort of malaise if you ever encounter

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ufo fatigue what i do suffer from is

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drama buff

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fatigue and i separate myself from that

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every single time i just don't have time

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for it um and i kind of work on my own

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most of it so

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you know i kind of that's never had ufo

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fatigue i've had people fatigue

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i'm with that i am with that 100 um

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this uh i i listened to uh one of your

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uh one of your interviews chase and

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it blew me away about your sighting in

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the corn field

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a lot of people will ask especially like

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the mw's of the world will ask

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well how come you know there's no

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everybody's got a 4k camera how come it

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didn't work

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how come people aren't taking photos and

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then i learned from listening to your

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interview with andy is that you had four

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cameras which i'm certain a person that

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is as as detail-oriented as yourself had

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previously checked the batteries on

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those and none of them worked

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and then you saw

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three lights

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a triangle

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and i was wondering

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if you can transport yourself and

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therefore us

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back to that moment when that comes into

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view because three lights or three

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you're absolutely right um

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i was so shocked to see this and um i'll

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explain later about the cameras but

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you know the witness is so excited

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because i actually had a date to go out

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and um you know do an interview and an

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investigation a couple days later but he

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called and he's like you got to come now

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so i did and me and another star team

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investigator went out there and

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when we saw the lights he's he's

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literally

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so excited and the reason for that is

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guys because he's not crazy

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i'm seeing it the other investigators

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seeing it and so i see

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this light i sure enough i look over and

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this it's coming and then two more pop

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in

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and it took just like a couple seconds

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and all of a sudden i realized

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this is a freaking triangle i mean it's

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starting to black out stars i mean this

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thing you can see is connected and i'm

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just blown away and of course i'm

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reaching down i'm looking for my

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tri-film meter because the first thing i

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wanted to do was to see if there was any

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readings off of that that i could

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photograph so i had a camera i had my

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trifield down and nothing was working i

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was so frustrated you guys i guarantee

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you i said dropped an f-bomb and you're

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like i can't believe it's like i was

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just so frustrated it's right there

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my whole career it's right freaking

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there

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we believe you nonetheless so um

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uh we'd like to bring in our researcher

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now deb deb is a host of deb's data dojo

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and an amazing interviewer herself

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well okay so i would really like to talk

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about some of the history of ufology for

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a moment since you have been around for

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some time i have run into some things

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that i don't think other people are

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aware of like operation right to know

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the fund for ufo research i was

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wondering if you were involved in any of

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those or just wanted to give some input

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for people about some of that history

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because i think people are missing a lot

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of stuff that has been done before by

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yeah and um i'm missing her name right

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now um but she did uh free right to know

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they marched right on dvdc they had nice

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picket lines it was oh my gosh she

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passed away a long time like a few years

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ago and

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i

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come to me

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eventually but

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but

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um yeah i wasn't part of those groups at

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that time because

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because

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you know i was a mom at that kid at that

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time so a lot of my work was local or

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interest like part of that stuff um like

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right there in dc so

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what we're doing today isn't all that

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new and thank you for bringing that up

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and i'm really horrified that i can't

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remember her name because she was

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wonderful oh my god

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i'll go find it while we're while we're

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chatting because i i did research on her

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yeah and she's in she's from utah she

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was the state director for mufon for

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and i was going to say man though

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speaking of utah they've had the same

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issues uh what dr taylor talks about or

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uh the same uh situations with batteries

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that you were dealing with uh on site

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there in uh where where were you with

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the cornfield i'm sorry if i don't

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let's see if she hears me

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it's a little bitter that's all i can

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say because the witness

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good enough no need to

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yep that's it oh sorry elaine sorry lady

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no

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that's okay

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she's graduate of mit like she she was

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brilliant she was ahead of her time

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yeah i don't think i get a job at the

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cafeteria at mit honestly but uh but i i

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salute anybody who who can graduate from

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that institution

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uh

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nathan oh deb has a follow-up i'm sorry

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please go ahead man yeah i just i wanted

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to comment that for those who don't know

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that some of those people are still

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around like just like chase they're

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still on twitter they're still you know

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they're using the title operation right

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to know

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um a lot of people who came out of some

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of those groups are really um noticeable

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names like foofor had a lot of really

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significant people in it i'm so proud

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because i think maryland was a part of

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you know what nathan up her share of the

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yeah i

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i had a question hold on what was it um

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yes so chase i really wanted to know

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this like i know mufon is still active

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and it's got chapters everywhere

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a lot of the folks that we traffic with

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are really just engaged in this topic

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from a kind of a

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digital level you know through the

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keyboard through hopefully engagement

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with our representatives if we're in the

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united states or you know we're just

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trying to get the word out with people

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that we know but if someone wanted to

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get a to be a part of mufon and and

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become an investigator or support

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investigations that happen

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in their region of the united states or

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wherever they happen to be

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how do you even get started doing that

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and that is that something that you

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would recommend if people have that kind

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if you're new

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because they do have a great program

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it's how i started getting my

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investigation skills and then i wanted

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more so i went to

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uh pi training and then i wanted more

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because i thought you know the

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gathering these reports

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is very very important but what we need

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is evidence so

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to have evidence that was going to be

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admissible i had to know how to do it

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right so i went to school

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and

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um it's just really important so mufon's

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great if you're new or if you know

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you're just not

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that ambitious to you know go to peru or

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to go to bolivia which i've been like i

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don't know how many times or australia

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or mexico so um because it is

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territorial

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so we have people in texas they take

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care of texas if someone called me from

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texas and i was in mufon i wouldn't be

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able to do that being independent i

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could pretty much go where i want boys

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[Laughter]

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nice sorry that was evil laugh

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um so what you're saying is that people

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should actually go out and if they're

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interested and they think they can

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contribute knowledge in an aspect of the

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phenomenon actually get some training

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and certification

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rather than kind of like just be an

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expert on twitter just because they said

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because that's been working very well

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for a lot of people by the way

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right

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no um

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you know and i just i just wanted to

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you'll be out there and

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[Music]

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it's hearing for disclosure that was led

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at that time by steve bassett um the

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second one after

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greer

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um

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you know that i realized sitting there

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you have six

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politicians powerful politicians that

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are listed

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by wednesday their files so in if just

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two days of testimony convince these

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people we were onto something and this

462
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is not some quack out you know phenomena

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and we're not all wearing tin foil hats

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and crystals um

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i just knew that that was a direction to

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go and that's when i decided evidence

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evidence

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collection if it's going to be

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admissible it has to pass

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the same standards as a court court of

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law if this will slam you if it's not

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done correctly so um

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that's just where it all went and then i

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became a lobbyist

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deb has another question for you so uh

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you know deb fire away my friend okay so

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you said evidence evidence and i love

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evidence i am a big fan um

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i would like to know what you think is

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the most solid evidence that we have

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i know obviously you're referring to the

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um citizen hearing

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that would have been like the witness

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testimony but besides that what do you

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think is really going to help our case

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in this because we need some really good

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exactly and i'm not i don't

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know of any other than the dod is in

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possession and some other

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um like honeywell and you know some of

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the other contractors um that that's

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where the secrets are kept it's not in

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dc it's with the contractors and um

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if i had to say i honestly

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it's

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if you can work a witnesses case

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that they call you you take their

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testimony you do it right you document

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it right it's you know sealed it's

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you've got a stamp on it and you go out

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and you photograph and you do everything

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you can and um

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unfortunately

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99 of the time we're

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there after the fact so when we get sent

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evidence i can tell you um

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i've had a piece of metal that's in the

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middle of being analyzed now um i had an

509
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implant

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from a veteran um he was a vietnam

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veteran they had this thing in his hand

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and he was at the va and he just said

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hey doc is there any way you could just

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take this out

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doc says okay

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so they take it

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out he says wow

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oh this is

519
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really a weird metal i don't understand

520
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how it got there because there's no scar

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that showed it went in

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so anyway

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way he said can i keep that and so he

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puts it the doctor says

525
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oh yeah puts it in like a little pill

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bottle um container and gives it to them

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well i end up getting a call and

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audition

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called me after she received it about

530
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three hours later says i'm sending it

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back to you and don't send me anything

532
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else because

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when you put that implant down

534
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and you put a magnet near it

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it

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shot right to the magnet

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it's metal i'm not surprised the other

538
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end little fibers coming out like little

539
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wires

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true story

541
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wow that's that's amazing and the so

542
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once you get the analysis on that you'll

543
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kind of know if it's uh if that metal uh

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is

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um

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uh something that that we wouldn't have

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couldn't have created on earth

548
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particularly at at the time when uh when

549
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he he saw it in him does he know when

550
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when he's when he noticed it in his hand

551
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there's a little bit of a delay but

552
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she's no he just said um all of a sudden

553
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that he said i always have an interest

554
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:28,149
but he um he doesn't remember exactly

555
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,960
when

556
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,880
you know he realized it was there but it

557
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:32,720
had been decades like he was vietnam

558
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,490
veteran and this was um 2009

559
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,789
that's awesome uh i have a question but

560
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,039
i i don't want to take i think this

561
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,520
might be nathan's spot so i don't know

562
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,520
well yeah let me jump in real quick uh

563
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,480
we

564
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,360
came out recently skin walkers at the

565
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,480
pentagon

566
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,279
and uh that book received some real

567
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,720
mixed reaction

568
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480
uh from the community

569
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,240
some folks were incredibly excited to

570
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,559
see it because of course jim lakaski

571
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:04,880
stepped out from the shadows and put his

572
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,279
name on the book and that lended it a

573
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,080
lot of credibility others i think looked

574
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:11,840
at some of the stories and anecdotes

575
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,200
from from the time during osap and you

576
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,880
know really just had a hard time dealing

577
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,960
with some of the strangeness that was

578
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,400
recounted

579
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,720
during the the time at skinwalker ranch

580
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,640
and the other investigations that asap

581
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,720
was doing it was revealed in that book

582
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,840
as well that that mufon has a database

583
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,000
you know database of information and

584
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,559
that and that asap was kind of like

585
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,799
working with mufon had some kind of

586
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,799
contractual relationship with mufon to

587
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,520
use or or access or

588
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,159
uh leverage in some way that database of

589
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,000
information are you familiar with that

590
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,240
and what was your take on the book um

591
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,240
are you glad to see it that it come out

592
00:25:03,190 --> 00:24:52,799
like what's your reaction to that entire

593
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,630
again folks there's a little bit of a

594
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
delay chase is frozen at the moment i'm

595
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,360
sure in real life she's actually not

596
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,600
frozen but on screen she's frozen

597
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,720
um

598
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,200
so hopefully she's gonna come back if

599
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,240
not chase if you can hear us you may

600
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,120
want to uh leave the studio and then

601
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,440
just come back and we'll try to reset

602
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,039
that way man

603
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,120
uh but yeah that's an interesting point

604
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,279
there as you say

605
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,480
nathan

606
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,600
um

607
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,840
you know lakatsky coming out which

608
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,840
actually ironically

609
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,960
um

610
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,679
somehow harvested credibility away from

611
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,320
lou because people said lakatsky's the

612
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,120
guy lose nothing he had no budget he

613
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,200
wasn't real he was not legitimate it was

614
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,360
lycatsky all along and the 22 million

615
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,520
dollars was all his

616
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,320
and so it's just like okay well then all

617
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,760
these people that said they went to the

618
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,440
pentagon and interviewed with him

619
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,279
they're lying

620
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,840
yeah it uh you know

621
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
i think what's frustrating sure what's

622
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,279
frustrating for liquesky and

623
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,360
and george knapp and colin kelleher on

624
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,559
that is that you know they really

625
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,159
thought that that would help kind of

626
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,240
clear up the picture and it sure for

627
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,159
many people actually made it more

628
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,159
confusing and you know i think there are

629
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,600
probably good reasons for some of that

630
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,760
confusion some that are

631
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,480
easier to articulate than others for

632
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,080
certain you know reasons that can't

633
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,039
really be stated at the moment

634
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,200
and you know as i as i know that the

635
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,360
government works in some ways that

636
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,360
aren't necessarily as uh

637
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,520
you know clean lined as people might

638
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,480
imagine it to be you know so

639
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,400
it's not that surprising in other words

640
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,039
that it may have been a little bit murky

641
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,360
and if somebody's agenda if someone i'm

642
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,360
sorry but i mean sub if if someone's

643
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,000
agenda was to discredit lou then this

644
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,600
was the opportunity they were looking

645
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,320
for and you saw them jump all over that

646
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,880
as soon as it as soon as that came out

647
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,120
uh and starting asserting what budgets

648
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,200
are and they don't even know how those

649
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,679
budgets are applied and and what how

650
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,440
they might be parsed out and whether or

651
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,640
not perhaps lou's program was budgeted

652
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,279
under under uh offsapp so there's a lot

653
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,640
of questions we didn't even get to that

654
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:14,799
with lou but uh hell we can freaking

655
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,760
call him now and ask him

656
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,399
well i guess my perspective on it is

657
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,640
george knapp who was one of the authors

658
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,440
of that book really wants people to

659
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,279
recognize the other part of the

660
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,120
phenomenon

661
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,440
if he goes beyond the ufos

662
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,520
and he is really encouraging people to

663
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,520
speak on that and that includes the

664
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,279
hitchhiker effect

665
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,279
and some of the other paranormal

666
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,640
experiences

667
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,120
and he is discouraged that people aren't

668
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,760
focusing on that and the military wasn't

669
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,279
focused on that because they have a

670
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,799
different mission

671
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,279
um right it's not national security

672
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,480
right exactly so like he he's i think

673
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,960
the main person going out come on guys

674
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,520
pay attention to this and and it kind of

675
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,360
conflicts with the other narrative

676
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,200
that's going on unfortunately because

677
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,120
the other narrative is we need to focus

678
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,440
on national security we need to make

679
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,520
sure our our air is

680
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,080
safe for pilots you know and so on and

681
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,399
so forth well can i say one thing when

682
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,120
you have ryan graves out there that's

683
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,159
attending aviation conferences and

684
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,320
asserting exactly what you said don't

685
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,080
you think that's going to get the ear of

686
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,960
lawmakers and the dod

687
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,039
uh as much as anything going on at

688
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,440
skinwalker

689
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,640
yeah definitely and if you guys are not

690
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,520
aware of those watching um

691
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,679
he is a part of

692
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,640
narcaps efforts also narcap has been

693
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,720
working on the faa part of this for a

694
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,000
long time

695
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:47,840
with ted rowe

696
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:51,760
and um ryan graves has been working with

697
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,960
that group as well as the i think it's a

698
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,080
i a a is what it is yes yeah it's a na i

699
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,320
believe it's an aviation safety uh

700
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,600
organization

701
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,240
i have to look them up again but yes yep

702
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:05,919
right so i mean there is a lot of

703
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,360
concern about the safety um the comment

704
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,440
about the near misses

705
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,440
you know there's also been comments that

706
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,520
have been pushed under the rug about

707
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,840
deaths that have happened you know i

708
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:20,159
can't i hope gary nolan will talk to us

709
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,440
a little bit more about that in the

710
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,559
future

711
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,159
um because i think people need to be

712
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:26,080
paying attention to some of the safety

713
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,990
i mean to us deb to you myself and

714
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,240
nathan you could sell any part of this

715
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,600
phenomenon and we're going to be

716
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,080
interested to want to investigate it

717
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:40,559
right whether we were talking about uh

718
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:44,159
paranormal at it out there at skinwalker

719
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,840
or or ghosts or or actually ufos

720
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,799
unidentified aerial uh phenomenon

721
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,799
but for a lawmaker

722
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:53,520
you

723
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,399
going on in this ranch right now

724
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,720
is worthy of dollar and cents even if to

725
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,200
you myself and nathan this is important

726
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,120
because this is connected

727
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,080
but to a lawmaker who then has uh

728
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,320
constituents that they have to argue to

729
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,640
of why they're spending those dollars

730
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,279
it's very difficult sell so i think i

731
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,480
think it is as it should be at least in

732
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,520
their

733
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,840
how they have they're kind of forced to

734
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,279
view the world and i'm not trying to

735
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,360
play pollyanna with congress by any

736
00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:27,440
means they're you know as

737
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,400
as dirty sometimes as they come

738
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
[Laughter]

739
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,360
yeah i think you're right it's uh it's

740
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,679
really the conundrum that the topic

741
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,760
presents it's that you know you can

742
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,799
think of

743
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,240
the standard on-ramp to getting it into

744
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,960
inserting this into the larger public

745
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,120
discourse and that's the you know it's a

746
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,440
threat it's a nuts and bolts thing uh

747
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,120
it's easy for the public to generally

748
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,559
get their mind around the fact that they

749
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,520
might be

750
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,440
uh you know extraterrestrials from

751
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,440
another planet you know all those things

752
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,120
are like the if you're if you're if

753
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,360
you're looking at that uh you know dj

754
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,720
you're at the italian restaurant you get

755
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,240
the kids menu with the numbers and you

756
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,519
got to draw the lines to connect the

757
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,760
numbers to to create the

758
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,559
the pasta or whatever

759
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,799
they're the they're

760
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,559
you're only going to get that here folks

761
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,799
i don't care what show you go to

762
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,960
you come to calling all beings for takes

763
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,559
just like that at least what we do and

764
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,640
it's a delicious uh delicious pasta

765
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,159
pasta dish but those

766
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,840
those are the early numbers those are

767
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,000
the low numbers on that connect the dots

768
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,200
right so one two three four five

769
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,039
that's what we're talking about here

770
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,279
george knapp colm kelleher

771
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,039
lukaszki

772
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,480
they're way down the line there and

773
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,080
they're what they're saying is look guys

774
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
we we got to have this conversation too

775
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,880
the experiencers are also further down

776
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,840
the line we've got to have this

777
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,200
conversation too

778
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,760
the abductee people the you know the

779
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,600
hybrid conversation all of that is a

780
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,360
part of this topic

781
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,360
it's just much further down the line the

782
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,279
consciousness folks and so you know you

783
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,559
really kind of

784
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,320
we want it to be a very linear

785
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,480
progression kind of process where it

786
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
feels like yeah i'm with you i can go to

787
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,240
that next number and i'm

788
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,240
you know drawing this but that when you

789
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,919
have folks who

790
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,480
understand aspects of it that that go

791
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,960
further than that it's like you can see

792
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,880
them they're waiting in the wings like i

793
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,279
can't i can't wait any longer nancy

794
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,640
we're gonna do this we're gonna throw it

795
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,320
out there and i want you to take this

796
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,480
seriously and so that i think that

797
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,080
that's where you know you saw that

798
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,000
happen attention the community is you

799
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,519
you get skin walkers at the pentagon

800
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,679
with these accounts that some people go

801
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,519
this is straight up you know out of a

802
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,080
fantasy novel or something uh

803
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,159
it's just absolutely bonkers and they

804
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,840
it's the snicker factor which i find

805
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,360
ironic because

806
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,039
you know in a topic that generally

807
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,960
evokes snickers

808
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,720
you know across the board

809
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,600
who is one side of the camp to say

810
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,679
that the other side is you know more

811
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,279
laughable i mean it's like come on we're

812
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,440
talking about you know aliens and

813
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,200
whatnot and just because you you bring

814
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,519
up a werewolf type creature or something

815
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,440
like now i can't take you seriously i

816
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,120
think that's kind of unfair

817
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,880
uh it is but but it's all like you said

818
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,799
it's all part of this conversation and

819
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:08,480
it's it's something that i think we have

820
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,360
to be

821
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,399
able to deal with and have a

822
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,360
conversation about in a mature way uh

823
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,640
you know i don't know if the public's

824
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,159
ready for that but hopefully we will be

825
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,760
soon

826
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,320
you know it's a lot of fun to just

827
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,799
approach all of these topics

828
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,120
all of these hypotheses all of the

829
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,159
evidence and just kind of be open-minded

830
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,559
i can't imagine what it would be like to

831
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,039
put myself in a little box where i can't

832
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,200
talk about a different part of this and

833
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,080
i'm refused to hear someone else out and

834
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,720
then not get to learn something

835
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,200
and then ultimately you know can anyone

836
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,200
really say they have all the answers not

837
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,559
really so

838
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,039
no no definitely not

839
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,120
like not even not really like definitely

840
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,600
not nobody has all the answers right so

841
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,519
someone's bound to be upset at the end

842
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,960
if they're keeping themselves in a

843
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,880
little box

844
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,080
right yeah

845
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,720
i mean we're we're in a position our

846
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,559
reality is that

847
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,159
uh you myself stephanie

848
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,119
kevin

849
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,159
we're you know all of our cab network we

850
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:15,359
are able to take in everything and and

851
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:18,879
draw something from it we have that

852
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,320
what's the word i'm looking for nathan

853
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,040
we we we're open to that we can be open

854
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,800
to that and i'm sorry i'm not more

855
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,960
artful in describing this if you're a

856
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,960
congressional member you can't

857
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:33,280
necessarily be open to that in public

858
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,399
yet

859
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,240
right yeah we have the luxury of

860
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,240
exploring these times you know we're not

861
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,040
held by like you said the constraints of

862
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,879
our position and the expectations that

863
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,879
go along with it the political

864
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,760
uh correctness of it all the optics you

865
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,320
know if this is okay to talk about this

866
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,560
isn't okay to talk about you know we

867
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,919
have none of those pressures or

868
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,560
constraints which is great but i do

869
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,720
wonder you know what what is it just to

870
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,800
throw it out to both of you guys

871
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,480
what is it in your minds that you think

872
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,240
is going to

873
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:07,520
make the room in space for

874
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,480
that conversation to to kind of broaden

875
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,440
from the easily acceptable like oh it's

876
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,880
a technology

877
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,800
you know it's not to to the weirder

878
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,880
things you know to things like the the

879
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,880
poltergeists and uh you know the

880
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,880
consciousness connection what are the

881
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,280
what are the kinds of detailed

882
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,359
bits that have to enter into

883
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,960
political conversation that kind of

884
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,480
opened up those other doors do you guys

885
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,240
have thoughts on that

886
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,920
well clearly time is the biggest the

887
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,119
biggest one

888
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,440
or something that deb and i have talked

889
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,880
about at length in our private

890
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,599
conversations and on air a few times is

891
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,320
an irrefutable event that that people

892
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,119
can't deny where cam news cameras are

893
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,680
pointed right at it they're showing it

894
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,320
and and nobody can say you know and even

895
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,160
still nathan you've said people are

896
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,599
still going to say it's a government

897
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,520
black project and they have an agenda

898
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,119
here so there's still there's always

899
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,160
going to be that crowd but uh but

900
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,960
some time is the biggest factor

901
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,359
and you know based on the space the

902
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,200
other night people screaming

903
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,920
uh they want it now and i think we

904
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,480
realized that we look at our lives as a

905
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,960
very long period of time and geez it's

906
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,359
just our lives are so short

907
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,800
that we may not be alive when when um

908
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,599
any of this is accepted as

909
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,160
public fact

910
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,720
yeah i think of it as like

911
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,400
for this to

912
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,000
be something that everyone's just

913
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,839
comfortable talking about at a dinner

914
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,920
table like they would whales or polar

915
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,480
bears or any other thing that is natural

916
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,960
because i consider it to be natural

917
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,520
um it is going to take time like dj said

918
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,359
because we're just going to have to kind

919
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,000
of get used to it once it's

920
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,320
clearly out there right

921
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:54,320
but i've also said that i'm not even

922
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,040
sure

923
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,359
a video of a big event would be enough

924
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,440
because people will say that cg or

925
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,359
something we just said that were you

926
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,200
yeah but you said

927
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,359
no no you said

928
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,000
of like a black ops i mean so but i but

929
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,240
this is what i do think will work this

930
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:12,400
is something i suppose like i throw out

931
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:13,359
there

932
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,240
if

933
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,839
these

934
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,240
uh others as some people like to call

935
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,880
them make the decision themself to

936
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,400
interact with us

937
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,240
in a physical way

938
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,320
that's not elusive

939
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,800
um and it's i hate to say this but if

940
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,320
they pretty much put themselves in a

941
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,480
position like they're in a zoo

942
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,079
it's a terrible thing but it would

943
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,440
protect them

944
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,000
then people might like fully accept and

945
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,440
just get used to it and like because you

946
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,200
go to a zoo you don't really like stand

947
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,960
around gawking like you've never seen

948
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,320
something before you know you just kind

949
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,760
of get used to it

950
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,040
but

951
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,119
i don't know that like an intelligent

952
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:51,440
species would be willing to do that for

953
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,880
us you know or you're right i mean

954
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,280
you know what what greater i i shouldn't

955
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,800
say what greater evidence do we need

956
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:00,800
because we need greater but you just

957
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,320
heard chase klutzky say that all four of

958
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,320
her camera's batteries were dead and her

959
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,400
other piece of equipment was not

960
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,520
functional then you heard travis taylor

961
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,320
say the dr taylor is that his right name

962
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,720
dr taylor said they had a backhoe out

963
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,760
they decided you know what we're gonna

964
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,839
go ahead we're gonna dig in the spot

965
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,240
and he said they replaced three

966
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,480
batteries on that backhoe and it

967
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,599
wouldn't run

968
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,560
right

969
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,880
i mean those are that's the same that's

970
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,359
the phenomenon doing the same thing

971
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,390
guys i just wanted to let you know chase

972
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,640
just messaged me she said that she has a

973
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,280
storm that she's dealing with

974
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,839
um so that's why the delay i apologize i

975
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:46,160
had to kind of respond to that yeah no

976
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,200
worries

977
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,880
one love writer cue up writers on the

978
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,320
storm please nathan absolutely exactly

979
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,640
got you covered well you know you bring

980
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,400
up an interesting point the dj and i

981
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,520
think that uh you know i've been

982
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,800
thinking about this in the last few days

983
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,359
as well you know

984
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,640
what is the magic concoction of

985
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,680
witnesses experts people

986
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,359
you know events

987
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,520
stories evidence that is going to

988
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,200
satisfy

989
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,640
you know the the the x number of people

990
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,400
which is like the tipping point number

991
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,640
of people in our society

992
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,119
to where it becomes you know accepted

993
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,040
fact right because you know i find it

994
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,480
really interesting the community's

995
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:29,040
reaction to some of the folks that are

996
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,000
that are

997
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,680
in the public eye

998
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,800
trying to lend their time and energy and

999
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,680
money to figuring this out and and none

1000
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,200
of them seem to be good good enough you

1001
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,320
know it's like oh you've got five phds

1002
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,960
i'm sorry but that's not good enough uh

1003
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,119
because you wrote a sci-fi novel oh

1004
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,480
you've you know

1005
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,320
you know you're a wealthy guy who's made

1006
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,920
a lot of money in real estate and you're

1007
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,839
spending this money of your own free

1008
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,320
will just to study this i you must have

1009
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,760
a hidden agenda

1010
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,480
you know oh you're an ex-dod employee

1011
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,720
who uh wants to blow the whistle on this

1012
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,359
whole thing and and you know no sorry

1013
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,319
like that's i mean it's literally like

1014
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,160
what do we need here you know like what

1015
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,720
what is the right combination to satisfy

1016
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,880
and the answer is there isn't you know

1017
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,280
well well nathan there's that i'm sorry

1018
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,119
nathan there's the one tv show can you

1019
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,880
please remind me is it

1020
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,599
is it uh the tv show where there were a

1021
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,160
bunch of different ships hovering over

1022
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,720
major cities and there's a female lead

1023
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,280
of the alien i i of the

1024
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,520
extraterrestrials i can't remember

1025
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,000
what that tv show was i have to go back

1026
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,480
and look at it and i enjoyed that one

1027
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,000
it's going to take something like that

1028
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,680
that would be the thing yeah where

1029
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,520
people can look up and go open the door

1030
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,880
and they're like right there yeah

1031
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,319
exactly

1032
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,480
i i liked the one where the aliens live

1033
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,160
with us by the way i cannot remember

1034
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,760
what that one was called either they

1035
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,359
just hang out with us they're part of

1036
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,440
the police force so on and so forth what

1037
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,440
was that one alien nation or something

1038
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,000
yes alien nation yeah b was the other

1039
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,000
one and uh

1040
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:03,440
oh well

1041
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:06,550
we got her back klutzky

1042
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,829
[Laughter]

1043
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,839
all right the original it's like the

1044
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,230
it's all good girlfriend we've been

1045
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,319
there we've all had some spotty wi-fi

1046
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,680
and you know what i'd rather have a

1047
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,319
cabin in the mountains with no wi-fi

1048
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,000
than no cabin at all that's all i got to

1049
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,839
say actually i rented one in north

1050
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,760
carolina and i went and saw my brother

1051
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,839
nathan i was like what's up man i got a

1052
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,640
cabin up here in north carolina

1053
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,200
so anyway um chase

1054
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,440
i want to get to this question

1055
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,960
uh notice i said that like i was from

1056
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,560
louisiana and i'm not

1057
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,839
sure great question i was so frustrated

1058
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,599
when it dropped because i love that

1059
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,680
question yeah let's get your answer on

1060
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,440
that go back yeah i'm sorry go ahead man

1061
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:03,990
uh actually to the stars academy never

1062
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:07,760
worked with mufon um i was at a meeting

1063
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:10,720
uh with jan harzan it was myself and ken

1064
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,480
saint john um who was a ceo um i was

1065
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,079
director of investigations at the time

1066
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,240
which was number two in the organization

1067
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,960
and we were meeting with steve justice

1068
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,200
um lou elizondo

1069
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,240
um who else was there tom delong kind of

1070
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,839
walked by but he wasn't part of the

1071
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,640
meeting meeting but um

1072
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,160
and jan laid out why mufon was would be

1073
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:36,079
such an asset for them

1074
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,119
and

1075
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,119
steve justice after about 10 minutes put

1076
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,000
his hand up and he said stop right there

1077
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:43,839
jan i don't want to waste your time we

1078
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,800
will never work for mufon

1079
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,359
or with mufon because you guys are part

1080
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,160
of the problem and he pulled up one of

1081
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,599
the conferences we had with corey goode

1082
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,119
and all these other people that they

1083
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,160
didn't see as legit now i'm not saying i

1084
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,240
didn't but they literally

1085
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,000
looked right at jan and said we will

1086
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,599
never ever work with mufon

1087
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,880
interesting

1088
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,680
and then chase so what um

1089
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,839
that's really good detail on the ttsa

1090
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,079
component there but in the in the skin

1091
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,240
walkers of the pentagon book

1092
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,079
it was mentioned that

1093
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:22,640
that there were several

1094
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,480
like dia databases that one like one of

1095
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,160
which i'm really mutting the facts here

1096
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,079
deb you make it this better than i will

1097
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:31,920
but essentially that

1098
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,640
asap was using some data points from

1099
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,040
mufon and there was some concern in the

1100
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,599
community that whether that was

1101
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,359
okay like people who had submitted a

1102
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,280
mufon report may not have known that

1103
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,520
ossapp was using that data and it was

1104
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,720
making its way to this dia database

1105
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,839
did we

1106
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:51,359
can you clear that up for us like what

1107
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,430
there was a time when robert bigelow

1108
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,440
went to mufon

1109
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,839
and started a star team and that was a

1110
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,000
rapid response group

1111
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,640
and it failed miserably i mean it was

1112
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:11,920
horrible he cut ties with mufon and um

1113
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,960
and i actually came in a year later and

1114
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,960
and i was selected as star team manager

1115
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,720
and developed an entire program all the

1116
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,440
protocols rules how to deploy what do

1117
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,280
you bring um

1118
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,119
you know but it was volunteer because at

1119
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,880
that time the start team investigators

1120
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,960
were paid well apparently the money

1121
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:31,040
wasn't going where it was supposed to go

1122
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,760
so

1123
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,800
you know and the information boupon was

1124
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,240
providing wasn't helpful they weren't

1125
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,760
they thought they were going to get like

1126
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,760
these really great evidence cases and

1127
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,880
that's not what happened so um

1128
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:46,480
that's and that's the same time when

1129
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,839
bigelow was involved with skinwalker and

1130
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,480
george knapp and you know that whole

1131
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,280
little

1132
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,800
know uh be on the radio with above top

1133
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,960
secret so you know all the the owners of

1134
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,480
these websites and everything it was

1135
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,000
just really a great time i mean that's

1136
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,800
old school big time but that's the only

1137
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,440
time mufon had anything to do

1138
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,480
with

1139
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:11,040
the government so to speak because now

1140
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,160
we know that

1141
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:15,520
bigelow was contracted by dod so

1142
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,280
this was government work um and a lot of

1143
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:20,880
mufon people didn't like it they didn't

1144
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,349
not want

1145
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:27,599
government

1146
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,190
it's still a couple lightning bolts that

1147
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,440
are popping off around um

1148
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,079
chase's cabin but guess what chase still

1149
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,720
got a cabin and that's all that matters

1150
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,760
um

1151
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,040
chase

1152
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,280
i want to take you back to and i got

1153
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,720
back in i didn't want to lose you guys

1154
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,119
no i i really appreciate you guy uh that

1155
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,119
that you did that uh we were making

1156
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,160
convo as as we're want to do but uh we'd

1157
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,839
rather have you than than just us

1158
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,599
talking because hell we can just talk on

1159
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,359
signal um

1160
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,880
anyway um

1161
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:07,040
so getting back to the corn field we're

1162
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,240
going to take you

1163
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,160
back to the corn field for some corn

1164
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,079
cake like my wife has from brazil or

1165
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:15,200
cornbread but um

1166
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,079
you know

1167
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,160
you are

1168
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,119
we we know a limited amount of people we

1169
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,520
know a few but we know a limited amount

1170
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,960
of people

1171
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,200
who have actually

1172
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,440
viewed a a being

1173
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,839
at close range

1174
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,760
and

1175
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,680
before i get to

1176
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,240
how you process that today

1177
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,839
again i'd like you

1178
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,680
to take us back to that moment and the

1179
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,000
reason i ask you is because the three

1180
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,280
people be before you have have not seen

1181
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,230
you know it's such a unique thing

1182
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,319
a lot of people a couple of experiencers

1183
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,800
have told me recently and all all four

1184
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,640
of us on this panel here have talked to

1185
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,200
a number of experiencers thank god

1186
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
and um

1187
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,200
people say that they don't see you know

1188
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,440
the lower body the feet you know those

1189
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,160
areas i'm curious if you could describe

1190
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,560
that being before you started running

1191
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,160
for your life which i'm sure all of us

1192
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,359
would have done

1193
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,160
uh from except deb actually so maybe

1194
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,680
nathan i would run

1195
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,480
deb probably would run toward it but yes

1196
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,400
i would just can you just

1197
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:29,280
can you describe it from the head down

1198
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,950
first of all i'd just like to say that

1199
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,559
no we had no

1200
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,240
we had absolutely no control over

1201
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,400
running i didn't run away from a being

1202
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,480
we ran straight to it

1203
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,480
and we were running running running i'm

1204
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,160
watching a light do this and then all of

1205
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,559
a sudden the witness stops and i hit him

1206
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,119
like a brick wall and right there like

1207
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,599
six feet away is this little being so we

1208
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,800
didn't run away from anything oh okay

1209
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,599
eye to eye looking at that and how like

1210
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,079
there wasn't there wasn't even a twitch

1211
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,440
i mean you go

1212
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,000
you know he's a big old country boy

1213
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,480
with this big old halogen flashlight

1214
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,000
that went from

1215
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,720
dark like pitch dark and he swung his

1216
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,359
hand over and you know probably now four

1217
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,400
feet away this being's got this halogen

1218
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,880
light in his face not a movement nothing

1219
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,520
it was stoic as crap and um and i'll

1220
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,280
describe him i mean he was little i mean

1221
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,200
probably three feet maybe three and a

1222
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,839
half but i'd say more about three

1223
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,520
um he had the skinniest legs i was

1224
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,599
really worried because i just remembered

1225
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,960
that they were so twig like um i don't

1226
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,200
remember that you know there's no um

1227
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,040
clothing or anything like that all i

1228
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,040
really remember is his eyes like he was

1229
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,359
just in the freaking legs i mean that

1230
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,200
makes no sense but i was really worried

1231
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,400
about him because

1232
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,000
they wouldn't have held his little body

1233
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,720
up i re we realized later as we kind of

1234
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,839
recreated some things that it's how the

1235
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,400
light hit him so his legs were shattered

1236
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,520
mostly

1237
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,400
so um but it just it just stood there

1238
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,079
and it was it was one second that

1239
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,079
changed my life because honestly that

1240
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,720
light hit and it was one one thousand

1241
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,280
two and then for no reason we're running

1242
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,960
again it was the craziest thing and um

1243
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,400
and of course

1244
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,079
this running started with a physical

1245
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,880
um pounding in your body and it was

1246
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,319
complete terror

1247
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,880
not fight or flight it's not you know

1248
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:31,680
just fear it is every cell in

1249
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,720
your body is terrified

1250
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,800
and i just remember turning and running

1251
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,960
for no reason i'm not a runner guys let

1252
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,359
me tell you that witness had a big old

1253
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,160
shotgun in the back of his truck and of

1254
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,480
course here i am you know just just this

1255
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,319
girl going out there like oh yeah i'll

1256
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:50,079
go into cornfield with you i don't even

1257
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,200
know who you are with the big old

1258
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,800
shotgun

1259
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,880
who does that

1260
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,319
so

1261
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,800
anyway this guy's not a runner

1262
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,240
either this

1263
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,079
this is an area you don't

1264
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,359
dial 9-1-1 i mean he we have a problem

1265
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,079
with coyotes around here just in case

1266
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,400
this is not a man who runs i'm not an

1267
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,480
investigator runs we didn't run away

1268
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,960
from anything we ran

1269
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,000
straight to it and um

1270
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,559
that's uh something that i'll just never

1271
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,030
will like to say one other thing though

1272
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:31,990
i don't know when we got into the dirt

1273
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,599
left or that tara left but by the time

1274
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:37,920
we got to his garage

1275
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,960
we're all piling out like what the beep

1276
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,280
let's go like what just happened why did

1277
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,559
we run i mean you know i'm forensics i'm

1278
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,880
thinking i i saw a being right there it

1279
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,200
wasn't a statue or anything i saw his

1280
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,599
eyes i mean they're living eyes and i'm

1281
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,280
like there's footprints i could get

1282
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,960
trace evidence all this kind of stuff's

1283
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,559
going through my mind so we weren't

1284
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,200
afraid of anything i'm telling you guys

1285
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,960
whatever was going on in that cornfield

1286
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,440
that night we were not supposed to be

1287
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,119
there

1288
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,800
i did i just want to say i've heard the

1289
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,119
same whispers at the gym oh you know

1290
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,200
he's got really skinny legs he probably

1291
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
doesn't do squats and i want to say on

1292
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,160
behalf of the being that you saw i do do

1293
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,680
squats okay and and so you know please

1294
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,599
you guys at the gym and girls stop

1295
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,520
making fun of my skinny legs

1296
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:30,240
anyway uh chase so

1297
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,710
this this you know this is what you get

1298
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,920
on calling all beings you're going to

1299
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,839
get a mixed bag you're going to get some

1300
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,839
intellectualism and you get some really

1301
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,760
ridiculous comments and then we're going

1302
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,079
to visualize you standing around a fire

1303
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,400
like rocky in philadelphia with jacques

1304
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,640
vale in the crew drinking you know mad

1305
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,640
dog 2020. so

1306
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,880
anyway uh

1307
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,640
anyway chase so

1308
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,760
the eyes um you know we've all uh

1309
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,559
we've seen various uh depictions of

1310
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,200
beings with these very large eyes can

1311
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,119
you describe if you if i were to give

1312
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,400
you from the chin to the top of the head

1313
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:12,880
what can you recall from that chin to

1314
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:20,630
and eyes i mean they were really littler

1315
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,079
and more human and um i don't remember a

1316
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,880
mouth i you know just a little tiny nose

1317
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,000
and the head was very very bold this um

1318
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,040
skinny little neck and uh but the it

1319
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,920
wasn't that typical

1320
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,240
which it it should be because then you

1321
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,000
know my story is like everyone else's

1322
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,079
but right it's different it's like these

1323
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,280
eyes were not exactly the same

1324
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,359
interesting and we have we have seen we

1325
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,119
have seen depictions of creatures that

1326
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,359
don't have the big eyes also that have

1327
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,000
more human uh uh what we would associate

1328
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:55,280
as human eyes

1329
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,359
um do do you have a a working hypothesis

1330
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,680
on whether or not that was some sort of

1331
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,119
a height did that make you think of a

1332
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,319
hybrid creature is is part a of this

1333
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,839
question and part b

1334
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,000
is do you still see this being in your

1335
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,280
in your dreams or in your mind

1336
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:15,839
so first part is is do you think hybrid

1337
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,910
right

1338
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:24,720
i did not see hybrid um i never thought

1339
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,520
hybrid um i will tell you that um

1340
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,680
i my mind is gone a million miles an

1341
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,920
hour my husband retired as a navy

1342
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
submarine commander i mean like he was a

1343
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,160
golden boy in the navy and here i am you

1344
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:39,920
know running around and my story's going

1345
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,599
public and you know i just i i even went

1346
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,839
as far down a rabbit hole to think that

1347
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,400
did the government try to scare me so i

1348
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,680
wouldn't go back out in the field

1349
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,760
because my husband's a golden boy like i

1350
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,599
i mean it's ridiculous to say that but

1351
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,319
that's how far i was anything i would

1352
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,160
listen people were contacting me i think

1353
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,599
this is what happened

1354
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,280
and it you know i just listened to it

1355
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,160
all so um i don't think hybrid i know it

1356
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,920
was real uh i know what i saw and

1357
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,440
i don't know

1358
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:12,000
how to describe any further than that

1359
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,160
the second part of your question is um

1360
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,720
i don't have i've never had dreams of it

1361
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,800
um every once in a while when i'm

1362
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,800
driving kind of late at night

1363
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,200
and i start thinking about it like it's

1364
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,800
just kind of playing over and over in my

1365
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,160
head and you it's almost like that pain

1366
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,800
comes back again it doesn't but you i

1367
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,960
kind of feel it and i'm like i pull off

1368
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,960
the road i'm walking outside getting

1369
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,599
fresh air going blue happy place go to

1370
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,119
my happy place

1371
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,359
because i never want to feel that again

1372
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,599
so um that's about you know and other

1373
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,640
than just

1374
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,640
always

1375
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:51,359
knowing that one second changed my life

1376
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,270
yeah uh i'll i'll come back to it but i

1377
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:59,599
gotta get my colleague in here because i

1378
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,670
well i keep i keep thinking about

1379
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,240
you know what what could be going on

1380
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,119
um and it seems like mufon has uh even

1381
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,520
supported books about it being

1382
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,359
extraterrestrial

1383
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,319
um they've actually had publications

1384
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,079
under their name about that and of

1385
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,079
course they have support for

1386
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,319
people who have been abducted and so on

1387
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,200
and so forth so just from your lengthy

1388
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:29,440
experience with mufon and all of your

1389
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,240
work

1390
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,079
do what what do you think is going on

1391
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,160
what do you think is the most likely

1392
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,720
explanation for these visitations do you

1393
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,680
think extraterrestrial do you think

1394
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,599
ultra terrestrial what do you think

1395
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,440
interdimensional what do you think is

1396
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,760
going on

1397
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:48,240
i know i know deb right that's the quest

1398
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,280
million

1399
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,400
dollar question and um there's mufon's

1400
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,920
all over the place i mean we have some

1401
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,760
investigators that i started out nuts

1402
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,960
and bolts i didn't even want to hear

1403
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,200
about abductions and you know back in

1404
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,640
the 90s right 95 96 97 98 i was just

1405
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,319
like nuts and bolts that's all i cared

1406
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,160
about and then

1407
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,559
and i really

1408
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,839
kind of

1409
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,000
focused on that for the longest part of

1410
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,119
my career but then you start listening

1411
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,640
is going on

1412
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,079
then

1413
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,240
when you get out there not every ufo

1414
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,640
investigation i did was ufo some of it

1415
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,079
was paranormal

1416
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:26,640
i swear guys some of it was totally

1417
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,559
paranormal and then i'm in peru i'm in

1418
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,920
bolivia

1419
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:34,160
we hear stories all the time of these

1420
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,200
you know

1421
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,839
kind of portals that open up and things

1422
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,760
come out of them and then they go back

1423
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,440
and what they're doing here we don't

1424
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,760
know um i was asked a question not too

1425
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,799
long ago like is are these from space

1426
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:48,880
and if you had to pick a

1427
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,630
what you were what you believe it is

1428
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,960
that how it's close got close encounters

1429
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,880
of a third kind

1430
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,680
i said no it's stranger things

1431
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:04,640
think

1432
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,630
a little bit of everything why does it

1433
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,480
have

1434
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,119
one

1435
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,720
we could have beings from other planets

1436
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,200
they could be angels and demons we could

1437
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,440
have you know um

1438
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,760
literally all these parallel universes

1439
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,680
which i believe is more

1440
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,599
possible and

1441
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,359
provable

1442
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,839
than the other so that's my personal

1443
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,599
take with all the investigations i've

1444
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,520
done um

1445
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,200
you know i've been on bigfoot hunts i've

1446
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,000
been on you know ufo you know thousands

1447
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,119
honestly um paranormal investigations um

1448
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,480
if you don't know what it is i'll go

1449
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:46,400
i'll go look right i'll look i've been

1450
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,760
in the swamps of you know uh down in

1451
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,520
pearl river looking for the honey island

1452
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:53,839
swamp monster you know up the hair and

1453
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,559
swamp water you know it's just it's

1454
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:57,760
about

1455
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,670
for me honestly

1456
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,280
think stranger things and i feel

1457
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,359
vindicated a little bit

1458
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,520
um even though they haven't come right

1459
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,680
out and set it flat

1460
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:17,760
lou elizondo

1461
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,190
yeah i i do associate nathan with the

1462
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,359
demogorgon now that you mentioned that

1463
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,200
um and i don't know why i don't really

1464
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,079
have a reason for it uh but

1465
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,319
but what i was gonna say to you is is is

1466
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,720
is how you evolved i think is how a lot

1467
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,160
of us uh should evolve as we come into

1468
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,720
the space uh i'm a retired military

1469
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:43,440
aviator that's how i spent my career

1470
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,240
it's

1471
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,640
associated with what i do today

1472
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:48,559
and i came in as a nuts and bolts and

1473
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:49,359
now

1474
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,920
this because if you were to if i were to

1475
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,480
just limit myself to talking about nuts

1476
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,040
and bolts it'd be like so boring like i

1477
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,880
there's so many more things to to

1478
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,359
hypothesize about and that's why you go

1479
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,079
and you you engage with people who who

1480
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,400
have a greater sense of of what we could

1481
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,960
be looking at to inform

1482
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:13,760
me

1483
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:17,520
on and open expand my aperture my mind

1484
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,319
on what it might be so anyway uh with

1485
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:22,480
that uh nate i'm sorry deb do you have

1486
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,000
something as well my dear eyes

1487
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:31,109
go ahead man oh i don't yeah chase go

1488
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:32,240
ahead and finish what you were saying

1489
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,589
oh okay um

1490
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,839
when you're looking into the eyes of

1491
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,839
some of these people that have

1492
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,400
contact or have been terrified

1493
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,680
or

1494
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,359
you know they're taken out they don't

1495
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,760
know what to do who do they go to

1496
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,000
and they call us so

1497
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,240
number one that's why we have to be gold

1498
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,400
standard we have to be better than just

1499
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,880
a pen and pencil but when you look at

1500
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,520
the eyes and you see a trauma and you

1501
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,839
know they have no reason to make this up

1502
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,400
why would they make this up it's crazy

1503
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,480
and you go back all the way to betty and

1504
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,680
barney hill

1505
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,920
you know in the 60s early 60s they were

1506
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,920
biracial couples they were they wanted

1507
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,920
no attention whatsoever

1508
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,640
but

1509
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,720
it's um

1510
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,000
you can't

1511
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,760
ignore

1512
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,079
that it's bigger than nuts and bolts so

1513
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,559
you if your you're open-minded or if

1514
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,559
you're really looking for the answers

1515
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,160
you have to go where the evidence takes

1516
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,760
you you can't go where you're you're you

1517
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:35,359
know it's nuts and bolts and that's all

1518
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,559
it is

1519
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,680
you know they

1520
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:39,520
you're gonna be left behind and a lot of

1521
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,599
people have been left way way behind

1522
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,000
and uh um

1523
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,599
yeah for me

1524
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,640
we have to listen to our witnesses and

1525
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,559
if you believe that

1526
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,280
you better be backing up this

1527
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,720
you know this phenomenon as well

1528
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,880
i'm very blessed that uh witnesses do

1529
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,200
call and talk to each one of us and i'm

1530
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:04,960
very blessed for each one i met in

1531
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,520
floribama with two experiencers on

1532
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,079
friday in from alabama and i was

1533
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,760
perfectly willing to drive two plus

1534
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,920
hours to do that debs

1535
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,160
oh yeah i was just gonna say um i know

1536
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,079
this is not as funny now but i was just

1537
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,240
gonna say if you next time you go

1538
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,640
uh checking out some triangles or little

1539
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,400
beings please let me know

1540
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,839
yeah

1541
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,720
she's kind of local no i i have this

1542
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,599
okay so i have this weird affinity

1543
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,920
towards this description of the little

1544
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,040
people

1545
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,760
um i really do have like an affection

1546
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:39,359
and like i don't know what that's about

1547
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,040
but i'm like i really want to meet them

1548
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:45,040
other people are terrified and horrified

1549
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,190
well no you know and

1550
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,400
obviously

1551
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,359
i've spent my life basically adult life

1552
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,839
you know looking for an alien or craft

1553
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,119
or evidence

1554
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,359
and i can tell you that there was one

1555
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,280
part of me and i i can't

1556
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,119
i usually can't get through describing

1557
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,599
this without choking up so excuse me for

1558
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,880
this but

1559
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,720
after talking to so many abductees and

1560
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,039
contactees they tell me that a lot of

1561
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:15,760
times these beings express what they're

1562
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,630
can you

1563
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,559
imagine if that's what that little being

1564
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,440
was feeling it it was unlike anything

1565
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:27,839
and i just and i left him

1566
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,520
and he needed help i mean i just there's

1567
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,720
it's not a good it's not a good

1568
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,160
situation i know people are like you're

1569
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,599
so lucky you saw that i'm like no i'm

1570
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,319
not i i would love to not see it again i

1571
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,319
really would because

1572
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:42,880
if that's it like what if i just held

1573
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,039
out my hand or but we were not in

1574
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,440
control and i know that but it's the

1575
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,079
mama the grandma the you know they call

1576
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,400
me mims not grandma but like

1577
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,880
it's my heart that was just like

1578
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,119
oh my gosh all of a sudden i realized is

1579
01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:59,599
that possible is that a possibility and

1580
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:02,720
then i'll just gut it absolutely gutted

1581
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,349
i i just want to say in your defense

1582
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,359
that may not have been one of those

1583
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,079
experiences where they shaped your

1584
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,760
feeling based on

1585
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,839
something they were trying to achieve it

1586
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,599
may just have been

1587
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,520
a reaction to something that we don't

1588
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,359
have a box to put it in

1589
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,760
some people see a craft or or they see a

1590
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,920
being and they don't we we're looking

1591
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:29,520
for a box and there's no damn box

1592
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:30,400
where's the box

1593
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:37,029
what's in the box

1594
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,240
exactly

1595
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,119
well chase uh i was listening to an

1596
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:43,039
interview with grant cameron today and

1597
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:44,319
we've had him on the show and really

1598
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,599
enjoyed speaking with him and you know

1599
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,280
he mentioned that

1600
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:49,039
you know he really he's kind of

1601
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,960
surprised that we're getting the

1602
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:52,480
momentum that we're getting now with

1603
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,720
disclosure that it's you know in his

1604
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:56,160
words it's kind of it's happening you

1605
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,760
know it's uh the cat's out of the box

1606
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,440
toothpaste attitude whatever metaphor

1607
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,200
you want to use it's really happening

1608
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,520
and and i think you know your comment

1609
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,960
just then about

1610
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,799
the the people that you've interacted

1611
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,880
with on this journey and some of the

1612
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,880
people that we've interacted with you

1613
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:13,039
know there's a lot at stake in this

1614
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,079
subject

1615
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,000
there's a lot of emotion

1616
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:18,559
uh there's a lot of you know kind of

1617
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,359
just

1618
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,359
raw feeling and stress and people who

1619
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:23,359
need real answers

1620
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:24,240
you know

1621
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,280
we going to get some real answers

1622
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,480
you know are some of these people going

1623
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,480
to find the answers that they're seeking

1624
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,039
or are we going to be left with just a

1625
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:36,640
bag of brand new questions to have to

1626
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,349
i think i i think

1627
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,359
we have momentum i i agree with grant

1628
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:46,960
like we're on it and we're not going to

1629
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,559
give up so this is why

1630
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,720
i love the ufo twitter we're

1631
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,039
putting out senators phone numbers like

1632
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,920
contact your representatives tell them

1633
01:05:02,069 --> 01:04:59,599
you know and don't go and say what's

1634
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,079
going on like i want i want disclosure i

1635
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,720
want you know transparency and ufo what

1636
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,200
you want to do is what i do like so you

1637
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,599
get to know who these guys are right you

1638
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,400
get to know so you have somebody like uh

1639
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,160
kentucky rand paul

1640
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,079
he's all about money he's all about

1641
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,720
fiscal responsibility so i call his

1642
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,640
office i'm just like where did that

1643
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,480
money come from because

1644
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,119
i did a foia and i don't see anything in

1645
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,240
the budget for that ufo office oh guess

1646
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,799
whose attention is got now so if you

1647
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,400
know these guys

1648
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,000
and

1649
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:36,559
um or or pay attention

1650
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:39,520
this is how we get them involved and

1651
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,880
there is so many many of them that have

1652
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,319
had these briefs they're just not going

1653
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,319
to talk about it some can't handle it

1654
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,319
some don't want to they just want to go

1655
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,079
to target and go home and feed their

1656
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,000
kids and start with their husband

1657
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,000
hopefully on momentum

1658
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:56,160
definitely on momentum but i will say

1659
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,119
one thing

1660
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,760
this ufo group at the pentagon did you

1661
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,440
see the hearings

1662
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:04,319
these guys were as clueless as a bag of

1663
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:07,839
bricks on anything ufo why they have not

1664
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,119
called in louie elizondo or chris mellon

1665
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,039
brief me

1666
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,079
former military how how many times you

1667
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,000
see a change of command where they don't

1668
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,480
share information and kind of the down

1669
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,319
low and what's going on it's just

1670
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:26,319
ridiculous these guys are these guys are

1671
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,359
clueless they're not going to do

1672
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,880
anything for us and we have to push for

1673
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:29,839
better

1674
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,309
i was going to say it's by design

1675
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,680
there's nothing different than it's been

1676
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,920
for the last 75 years

1677
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:43,280
they could hire us

1678
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,400
you're absolutely right

1679
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,720
right exactly but what we're pushing for

1680
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:51,359
now is because um i can tell you right

1681
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:52,160
now

1682
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,440
these people don't want to hear about

1683
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,200
roswell they don't want to hear about

1684
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,680
aliens they don't give two craps about

1685
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:59,680
you know what happened in alabama with

1686
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:01,039
you know calvin

1687
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,799
you know what they care about is

1688
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,520
national security today

1689
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,000
that's all they're doing right now so

1690
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,839
we're pushing this so what i what we're

1691
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,039
pushing now

1692
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,319
lou elizondo needs to

1693
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,079
brief congress

1694
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,960
that's and chris mellon lou and chris

1695
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,760
need

1696
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:21,680
to be sitting in those chairs talking to

1697
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,160
congress not those two figureheads you

1698
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,359
know like give me a break because they

1699
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,359
will blow them away and if they get a

1700
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,839
chance to testify it's done guys it's

1701
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,839
it's done i actually feel like it's done

1702
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,160
anyway so you know never in my life did

1703
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,240
i think i'd ever see

1704
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,480
the united states government and

1705
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:42,799
military admit there are things in our

1706
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,520
skies that they can't identify

1707
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:48,480
i about fell off my couch i'm just like

1708
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,920
whoa oh my god like i'm not the crazy

1709
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:53,920
woman down the block right now

1710
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,920
i'm the coolest chick on the block right

1711
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,960
now

1712
01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:59,760
like it was great

1713
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,240
you know what chase if if they do this

1714
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,160
it would be in closed session because

1715
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,160
they don't want the american public to

1716
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,079
confront what lewis and christopher

1717
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,160
would say that's not something that they

1718
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,240
want uh that's not something they've

1719
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,640
wanted for the last 75 years is a

1720
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:16,319
credible witness to come up there and

1721
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,199
say

1722
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,319
x y z and and especially the the level

1723
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,480
of orator that these two gentlemen are

1724
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:23,920
is not something that they want because

1725
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:26,319
then the american public would it would

1726
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,440
uh writ large have to uh would have to

1727
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,359
confront this and we've been talking

1728
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,600
about lately we've we've had a layperson

1729
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,199
come on our show

1730
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:38,239
a very gregarious uh lady i'm not going

1731
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:42,080
to name her but somebody uh

1732
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,520
let's just say somebody we've had on

1733
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,719
before that was a a an amazing guest and

1734
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,960
when we asked her to confront

1735
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,440
uh the existence of uaps that that that

1736
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,679
was very angering to her and this is a

1737
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,159
person uh that's also worked in the

1738
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,400
white house this is a person who

1739
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,440
of uh a sound character but not somebody

1740
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,319
who wanted to confront something that um

1741
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:06,799
uh that that we know exists

1742
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:10,960
and and bears uh consideration by

1743
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,550
uh-oh chase is frozen but she's coming

1744
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:22,799
she's listening to people because you

1745
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,829
am i back

1746
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,749
yes ma'am you're back can you re can you

1747
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:33,679
restart that

1748
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,480
okay

1749
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,040
so with military members

1750
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,520
so as a military member um they have

1751
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,920
also have um security clearances that

1752
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,440
they don't want to lose they don't want

1753
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,480
to lose

1754
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,520
their you know retirement or you know

1755
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,359
even some of the things that they have

1756
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,199
which is like a decent job that they're

1757
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,600
going to be promoted to chief or senior

1758
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,600
chief um

1759
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,199
before

1760
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,640
you know

1761
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,840
and then i'm going to come out and talk

1762
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,400
about a ufo i saw so

1763
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,960
one of the problems that we have with

1764
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,239
and

1765
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,880
yeah other professionals so now i don't

1766
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,400
think they can put it back in the box i

1767
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,080
don't think that this is going to go

1768
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,719
away the momentum is coming because now

1769
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:17,199
the military is allowed to talk about

1770
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:18,560
what they're seeing

1771
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,000
we hear the big stuff about um

1772
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,679
nimitz gimbal all of it

1773
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,679
there are plenty of reports coming in

1774
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:29,679
right now from not

1775
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:35,430
army

1776
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,560
marines

1777
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,960
you know i have a son who's active duty

1778
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,120
marine i have a grand

1779
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:43,920
son who's active duty marine and i ask

1780
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,470
uh i have to pass it over to money

1781
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,640
nathan but yeah i agree with you chase

1782
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,640
i've never i would never have talked

1783
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,480
about this during my flying career and

1784
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,560
today i don't talk my boss does not know

1785
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,640
i talk about this hi boss i'm just

1786
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,280
kidding go ahead

1787
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,880
yeah well let's do this i'm going to

1788
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:07,360
pass it to to deb and then uh and then

1789
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,669
i just want to say when you talk about

1790
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,480
little people deb um you know nathan and

1791
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,640
i are five eight i feel like james ian

1792
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,040
doley could view nathan and i as little

1793
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,199
people when he meets us and i worry

1794
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,280
about that so i'm hoping there's no you

1795
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,120
know what i'm saying yeah there's no

1796
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,440
hitchhiker effect here yeah yeah i'm

1797
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:37,120
shorter than that okay that's all i'm

1798
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:38,480
gonna say but

1799
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,550
so yeah i was i was gonna address you

1800
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,480
know we talk a lot about military

1801
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,840
witnesses

1802
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,560
um and i was just telling um dj and

1803
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,199
nathan you know earlier that um i was

1804
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,760
reading a ufo book while i was gone and

1805
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:58,719
i've been reading indigenous stories um

1806
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,480
international indigenous stories um and

1807
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,440
i was reading native american then

1808
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,480
native australian and now i'm reading

1809
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,400
well i've just finished already six

1810
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,280
killers sky people so i really kind of

1811
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,280
want to emphasize with people that the

1812
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,239
demographics goes well beyond

1813
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,880
um this country and that the the

1814
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:23,040
patterns are consistent internationally

1815
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,400
so i just you're nodding so you're

1816
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,159
probably answering the question already

1817
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,719
i just you know wanted you know to put

1818
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,640
give you a chance to put your input in

1819
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,480
on that as well because i i've had

1820
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:34,400
people say oh this is just an american

1821
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,070
deb you are so

1822
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,239
you are so right like on all of it

1823
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:46,719
indigenous people have an advantage that

1824
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,159
we don't and a lot of that is the

1825
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:51,840
culture of

1826
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:55,280
accepting what is real and just dealing

1827
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,709
and i'm doing interviews and um on a

1828
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,719
case that they had i'm standing with the

1829
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,560
mayor of pisco

1830
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,280
on a on a mound and uh actually a buried

1831
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:12,080
uh step pyramid and he's telling me

1832
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,440
about

1833
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,600
this dry lake bed and what i didn't

1834
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,120
understand like you want me to go take

1835
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,840
samples he goes

1836
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,840
chase no they well they call me chelsea

1837
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,360
because chase does

1838
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,199
the translation

1839
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,719
anyway so

1840
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,000
he's telling

1841
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:29,840
about this ufo that came down and just

1842
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,149
right i'll be a

1843
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,800
i'll be a chelsea for a day

1844
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,760
so

1845
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:42,080
he is not only their crops but they're

1846
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,120
animals

1847
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,719
and i'm like well do you want me to go

1848
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,960
take samples or something and he's like

1849
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,640
no i want you to tell them to bring my

1850
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,920
water back

1851
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,280
and

1852
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:53,760
it's nothing to ask people about

1853
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,719
you know ufo encounters have you seen

1854
01:14:09,910 --> 01:13:58,239
anything

1855
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:11,990
we're losing chase here i was asked that

1856
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:22,790
we're losing chase chase yeah i think

1857
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:30,070
okay you're back yes ma'am so i've never

1858
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,669
awesome

1859
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,199
never seen poverty like this it's

1860
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,960
absolutely ridiculous

1861
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,760
and

1862
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,520
if i went through one more village my

1863
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:43,520
heart was gonna my heart couldn't take

1864
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:47,199
it honestly i'm done like i'm just i

1865
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,430
truck that we had

1866
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,679
and this little village boy comes up and

1867
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,840
he has these rosy little cheeks cutest

1868
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,520
little thing ever oh my god i just want

1869
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:02,719
to pick him up give him kisses and

1870
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,600
squeak he's got dirty little feet

1871
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:06,640
um

1872
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:18,229
his eyes

1873
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,229
and chase is uh

1874
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:21,679
we're going to be lucky if we get these

1875
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,199
last couple of questions and go ahead

1876
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,040
happy community they take care of each

1877
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:28,640
other they

1878
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,239
share food they share everything

1879
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:34,000
all of a sudden i realize seeing this

1880
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,880
little boy's eyes it's like who am i

1881
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,840
arrogant oh my god i have friends that

1882
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,080
need xanax because they can't get to

1883
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,800
their yacht by five o'clock it's like

1884
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,280
these people are happy they're happy in

1885
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:49,280
their villages they are they don't need

1886
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,560
what we have they don't need a cell

1887
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,640
phone took a picture of that little boy

1888
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,600
he was freaking out happy like

1889
01:16:03,030 --> 01:15:56,640
that

1890
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,040
bible passage

1891
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,360
that i heard as a kid

1892
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,920
if you turn off our electricity in three

1893
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,080
days we're killing people

1894
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,400
you turn off their electricity

1895
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,480
just another day in the woods just

1896
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:16,560
another day in the tropics they're still

1897
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,800
trading machetes for goats and

1898
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,120
so i really think that

1899
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,440
you know just

1900
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,040
we think we're all

1901
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:27,840
all that and a bag of chips but

1902
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,709
oh you're you're you're right chase and

1903
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,440
i remember uh i moved to england ahead

1904
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:37,679
of my wife and then when i finally went

1905
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:40,800
home i picked up her my pets we pcs to

1906
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:43,120
uh raf milden hall but we're living off

1907
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,760
based in in in a uh like a cottage

1908
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,120
downtown

1909
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,360
and hot water heater wasn't working it

1910
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:51,199
was pretty cool out it was kind of like

1911
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,159
fall

1912
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,920
and i was like oh man we got no hot

1913
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,920
water or shower my wife's like oh no

1914
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,440
problem she just went and put the

1915
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,040
biggest pot we had on the stove and

1916
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,360
boiled water and made me a bath so you

1917
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:02,880
know just i wouldn't have even thought

1918
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,080
of that i could probably could have had

1919
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,920
been a week like that and not thought of

1920
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,159
oh i can't shower but you know for her

1921
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,239
she's from brazil she grew up without

1922
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:12,960
hot water so it was nothing to her to to

1923
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,960
figure that out so right

1924
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,719
um the other thing i want to say about

1925
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,199
the phenomenon you know we talk about

1926
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:21,440
how intelligent this thing is

1927
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,510
go ahead man

1928
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,229
yeah go ahead how intelligent they

1929
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:32,320
where we estimate how intelligent they

1930
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,440
are

1931
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,520
um

1932
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,199
i'm gonna make an estimate for you i

1933
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:39,040
often wonder who's keeping the secret

1934
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,390
okay

1935
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,800
well you know when you look at it they

1936
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,040
go and they empty out a lake and you

1937
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,600
know you you go to walmart it's a dollar

1938
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,600
eight a gallon and when you think about

1939
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:55,040
it they were able to get all that

1940
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,480
drinking water

1941
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,640
uh for no money instead of going to

1942
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,719
walmart checking out you know buying

1943
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,960
gallon jugs of water i i think that's

1944
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,239
extraordinary that shows their

1945
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:06,000
intelligence they got all that drinking

1946
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:07,520
water for free

1947
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:17,030
yeah there's nothing stupid about these

1948
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:18,400
people they live

1949
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,080
a

1950
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:22,960
life

1951
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:26,640
with their crops and their cattle and

1952
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,159
the love of their family i mean i just

1953
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,679
you know i just came back a different

1954
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,360
person honestly

1955
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:35,199
let me bring up something i hope to blow

1956
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:36,159
your mind

1957
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,199
please

1958
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:39,280
so

1959
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:40,560
what if

1960
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,800
responsible for keeping this secret that

1961
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,280
they're told they can't talk about it

1962
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,440
because there will be ramifications

1963
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:51,280
because these beings have been here

1964
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,719
forever

1965
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,920
they could come down and maybe cure

1966
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,760
for cancer

1967
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:00,800
they could come down and really unite

1968
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,760
the human species they could come down

1969
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:06,239
and even just let us know their hair and

1970
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:07,600
they don't

1971
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,800
everything they do is

1972
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,159
[Music]

1973
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,950
darkness and then why keep that secret

1974
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:19,199
so tight against our chest

1975
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,199
maybe it's not our idea or our decision

1976
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,430
interesting hypothesis for sure

1977
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,520
and uh

1978
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,159
uh but it's gone so many generations it

1979
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,080
would be sort of in so many

1980
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,320
administrations it would be hard to

1981
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,920
to keep that under

1982
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,000
under wraps um

1983
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,920
interesting though i mean who knows so

1984
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:45,920
many of the aspects of the phenomenon we

1985
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:48,320
don't know but uh uh deb has something

1986
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:49,920
for you then we these are this is our

1987
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,560
last round our final round if you are so

1988
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,640
okay we're in a 15-round fight we're in

1989
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,840
round 12.

1990
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,480
yeah i was gonna say that in the native

1991
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,760
australians when they did their artwork

1992
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,159
um they said that they're sky people but

1993
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:06,639
they also said that only very special

1994
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,600
people are allowed to do it and only

1995
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,960
very specific members of the group are

1996
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,040
allowed to do it and anyone else would

1997
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,040
be offensive and

1998
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,800
sacrilegious and they said that the sky

1999
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,880
people told them that they set that role

2000
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,400
in place for them so it's interesting

2001
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,120
that you should propose that idea

2002
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:27,520
but um i just think you know as you said

2003
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,960
earlier there's probably lots of

2004
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,840
entities involved so i don't think

2005
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:33,760
they're all on the same page with that

2006
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,800
either

2007
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,280
you know that's all

2008
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,120
and it and i don't have another question

2009
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,520
i agree i just

2010
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,880
and your question was and i'm just

2011
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:44,239
kidding yeah i don't really have another

2012
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,760
question i just wanted to thank you so

2013
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,760
much for coming out and talking to us

2014
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:50,080
today you have invaluable amounts of

2015
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:51,679
information so i hope you're sharing

2016
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,510
and i was like oh hell yes i'll come on

2017
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:05,600
your show i love your

2018
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,199
show so thanks for inviting me

2019
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,520
and we have to pay chase by the word so

2020
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,600
now this extra time it's going to cost

2021
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:16,080
us a little more out of the kitty nathan

2022
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:17,199
nathan

2023
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:18,639
i'm going to dip into the well on that

2024
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,520
one

2025
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,400
yeah i i i also just want to because i

2026
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,360
was online for the same amount of time

2027
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:27,360
right there we go there we go thank you

2028
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,679
chase um

2029
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,080
well i also want to reiterate exactly

2030
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,159
there we go i want to reiterate what deb

2031
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,480
uh said chase and

2032
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,480
you know it takes a lot to devote the

2033
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:39,840
kind of time and energy that you've

2034
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,679
given to this subject and that comes

2035
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:44,400
from a place of in my opinion

2036
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:45,520
passion

2037
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,320
and genuine interest and dedication you

2038
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,000
know all these wonderful qualities that

2039
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,159
you have and i just want to thank you

2040
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,159
for the the work that you've done

2041
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,679
in making this the the the topic and

2042
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,520
kind of expanding the awareness that

2043
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,360
that you have brought to the table

2044
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,679
uh you know we're in a different place

2045
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:05,440
now because of the work of people like

2046
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,239
you

2047
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,840
and i just i'm so grateful to be alive

2048
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:12,880
at this time or seeing what we're seeing

2049
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,760
and it's a it's an exciting time but

2050
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,040
it's also going to be a time with

2051
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,040
fraught with change and and there will

2052
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,199
be as you know people who are going to

2053
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,520
have a difficult time transitioning with

2054
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,000
some of this information and you know i

2055
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,639
think part of our job is to be there to

2056
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,639
be supportive and a good listener and

2057
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,120
positive and kind of help us all get

2058
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,719
through this and we're also going to

2059
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,800
have you know folks that we need to talk

2060
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:39,040
to who can listen to us and and help us

2061
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,239
through it and we're going to get

2062
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,159
through it together but but chase it i

2063
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:44,000
just i'm really grateful to have the

2064
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:45,520
chance to speak with you and thank you

2065
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,229
just gonna delay because i don't know

2066
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:56,639
i'm really very humbled and and thank

2067
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,199
you i would like to say one thing um i'd

2068
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,719
like to include my husband in this

2069
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,679
because

2070
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,639
he

2071
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,520
has funded every penny i've put in

2072
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,480
thousands of dollars in dna analysis

2073
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:10,400
like he has never once

2074
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,280
made me feel like i couldn't do that

2075
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,639
and his support even when

2076
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:17,840
his

2077
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:20,480
job could have been on the line he was

2078
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,280
not

2079
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,120
he was proud of what his wife was doing

2080
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,159
he put my little book up i mean he just

2081
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,120
tell everybody so um without him there's

2082
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:31,280
no way no way

2083
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:34,800
so thank you nathan thank you awesome

2084
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,199
shout out to your husband um i want to

2085
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,719
start out by saying your hair looks

2086
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:40,000
great tonight

2087
01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:41,120
um

2088
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,880
and also

2089
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,920
[Laughter]

2090
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:45,199
she's probably just gonna hear that

2091
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:55,189
um i'm gonna you know i

2092
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,719
i'm sorry i can't close it

2093
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:00,719
like 80s

2094
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:04,239
no you look great um i i i i'm sorry

2095
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:08,000
that i'm not going to close with a a uh

2096
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,679
well i am going to close with a comment

2097
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:12,000
but i want to say a word and just get

2098
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:12,800
your

2099
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,040
opinion because it's there's so much

2100
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,760
tied up in this individual individual of

2101
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:22,400
the amazing uh things

2102
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,280
that

2103
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:24,800
he has experienced so i'm gonna say the

2104
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:28,080
name chris bledsoe in his experience

2105
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:29,120
and

2106
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:39,350
100 real deal i have been to his house i

2107
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:42,400
have i mean for years um i investigated

2108
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:57,110
that man blows me away and maybe

2109
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,880
sometime if i can come back we had a

2110
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,440
huge experience where chris and i with

2111
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,360
seven other investigators lost eight

2112
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,960
minutes of time so

2113
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:06,639
you know when you're with chris expect

2114
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,310
and can you speak about the wallpaper on

2115
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,760
that craft

2116
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,840
was it something very gauche was it

2117
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:17,360
something that you would have put in

2118
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:25,110
well paper on what craft

2119
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:29,990
no

2120
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,750
all three helmet cams were missing eight

2121
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,199
minutes i

2122
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,760
don't remember a single minute of it but

2123
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:41,840
if there was wallpaper they needed me to

2124
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,730
pick it out trust me

2125
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,920
[Laughter]

2126
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,760
well that's a shame because really

2127
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,840
that's really what deb and i and nathan

2128
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,400
wanted to know is what type of wallpaper

2129
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,639
they're using or are they doing like

2130
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,040
sort of a distressed wood kind of a look

2131
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,800
and and we didn't get any of those

2132
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,040
answers from you no i'm just kidding uh

2133
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,199
it's it's not

2134
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:05,120
is there a ship lap right nathan behind

2135
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:06,639
the headboard there's definitely a

2136
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:09,679
shiplap yeah it ship lap i mean come on

2137
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,950
you see why i love these guys oh my

2138
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,199
goodness uh it's not if you're coming

2139
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,840
back uh chase it's only if you say yes

2140
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,000
um uh thank you thank you to your

2141
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,040
husband my u.s navy brother tell him one

2142
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:29,679
love from dj air force homie

2143
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,120
and one love from everybody on cab uh

2144
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,639
experiencer steph couldn't be here

2145
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,360
tonight flareous kevin uh couldn't be

2146
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,159
here but she got deb and a little bit of

2147
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,000
what she got to offer

2148
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,560
money nathan and thank you so much we're

2149
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,639
we're honored to have an original

2150
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,960
gangster like you yourself may you

2151
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,840
consume many bottles of wine

2152
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,400
around the fire with uh you know richard

2153
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,080
dolan and jacques valet and all these

2154
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:00,880
people and even throw elizondo in there

2155
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,990
no we can't be drinking cosmopolitan

2156
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:10,080
around the fire we gotta dumb it down a

2157
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,830
get you some old milwaukee all

2158
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,480
right